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		<title>By: Richard Wall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m, pls excuse my ignorance, but how do I fulfil Bob McAnulty&#039;s request for me to send him a copy (PDF) of the article I offered you, Dos Passos&#039; Use of Biography by Peter Christensen.  

I am willing to do it, but I have no e-mail address for him. It seems to me that commenters&#039; e-mail addresses are only visible to you as manager/owner of the website, not to other commenters.

You have ny e-mail address, so if you prefer to respond there please do so.

How are you getting on with your project for &quot;a later post&quot; ? It is now somewhat later....
all the best, R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m, pls excuse my ignorance, but how do I fulfil Bob McAnulty&#8217;s request for me to send him a copy (PDF) of the article I offered you, Dos Passos&#8217; Use of Biography by Peter Christensen.  </p>
<p>I am willing to do it, but I have no e-mail address for him. It seems to me that commenters&#8217; e-mail addresses are only visible to you as manager/owner of the website, not to other commenters.</p>
<p>You have ny e-mail address, so if you prefer to respond there please do so.</p>
<p>How are you getting on with your project for &#8220;a later post&#8221; ? It is now somewhat later&#8230;.<br />
all the best, R</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I meant the Rothko line as a joke. Since posting this piece, I have gone back and read a lot of reviews of the work from the time and so on, and I&#039;ll put them together for a later post (I still want to do a geospatial analysis on the portraits, too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I meant the Rothko line as a joke. Since posting this piece, I have gone back and read a lot of reviews of the work from the time and so on, and I&#8217;ll put them together for a later post (I still want to do a geospatial analysis on the portraits, too).</p>
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		<title>By: rootlesscosmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>rootlesscosmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I&#039;m not Tony Karon, aka Rootless Cosmopolitan, though we share a lot of opinions and beliefs.)

&lt;i&gt;maybe dP figures US art only begins with Rothko. &lt;/i&gt;
I don&#039;t think Rothko (born 1903) would have been known to dP when &quot;USA&quot; was being written.

There aren&#039;t any music people. dP quotes at least one Irving Berlin song (&quot;Oh, How I Hate to Get Up in the Morning&quot;) but doesn&#039;t examine Berlin himself or any of the other people who supplied to music track to his period: Scott Joplin, Victor Herbert, Rudy Vallee, Bessie Smith etc. 

But without having read the scholarly material, but as a lifelong admirer of the trilogy, I&#039;m not sure the biographies are supposed to &quot;stand in&quot; for American history; I think the subjects are meant to be representative figures, but that&#039;s not quite the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I&#8217;m not Tony Karon, aka Rootless Cosmopolitan, though we share a lot of opinions and beliefs.)</p>
<p><i>maybe dP figures US art only begins with Rothko. </i><br />
I don&#8217;t think Rothko (born 1903) would have been known to dP when &#8220;USA&#8221; was being written.</p>
<p>There aren&#8217;t any music people. dP quotes at least one Irving Berlin song (&#8220;Oh, How I Hate to Get Up in the Morning&#8221;) but doesn&#8217;t examine Berlin himself or any of the other people who supplied to music track to his period: Scott Joplin, Victor Herbert, Rudy Vallee, Bessie Smith etc. </p>
<p>But without having read the scholarly material, but as a lifelong admirer of the trilogy, I&#8217;m not sure the biographies are supposed to &#8220;stand in&#8221; for American history; I think the subjects are meant to be representative figures, but that&#8217;s not quite the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert McAnulty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert McAnulty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

I&#039;ve just come across your June posts. I would be VERY grateful for a PDF of &quot;Peter Glenn Christensen’s 1982 article &#039;Dos Passos’ Use of Biography in USA&#039;&quot;. 

Unfortunately, I do not have access to the archive.

If you could send me a copy, it would be GREAT.

Many thanks,

Bob McAnulty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just come across your June posts. I would be VERY grateful for a PDF of &#8220;Peter Glenn Christensen’s 1982 article &#8216;Dos Passos’ Use of Biography in USA&#8217;&#8221;. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I do not have access to the archive.</p>
<p>If you could send me a copy, it would be GREAT.</p>
<p>Many thanks,</p>
<p>Bob McAnulty</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that&#039;s a long story...I am interested in Dos Passos because he was an artist-observer, an outsider looking in on the world and its ways, because he was an American of Portuguese descent and an illegitimate child, and therefore, for all these previous reasons, his literary career was one long autobiography, a search for his own identity, a kind of perpetual emotional rebellion. That, IMHO, is one reason why he is so interested in depicting the process and meaning of others&#039; lives in his mini-bios of significant people, combining them, in just about every one of his novels, with fictionalized portraits of himself and some of his closest friends.

Apart from that, I am doing a PhD dissertation on power and crisis in American political and economic life between 1890 and 1920.  &quot;U.S.A.&quot; is both satire and portrait of the period: in other words, it is a good way to get into interpreting the political culture using an emotional (feelings-based) entry point, thus complementing the more conventional analytical approaches found in history or political science texts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s a long story&#8230;I am interested in Dos Passos because he was an artist-observer, an outsider looking in on the world and its ways, because he was an American of Portuguese descent and an illegitimate child, and therefore, for all these previous reasons, his literary career was one long autobiography, a search for his own identity, a kind of perpetual emotional rebellion. That, IMHO, is one reason why he is so interested in depicting the process and meaning of others&#8217; lives in his mini-bios of significant people, combining them, in just about every one of his novels, with fictionalized portraits of himself and some of his closest friends.</p>
<p>Apart from that, I am doing a PhD dissertation on power and crisis in American political and economic life between 1890 and 1920.  &#8220;U.S.A.&#8221; is both satire and portrait of the period: in other words, it is a good way to get into interpreting the political culture using an emotional (feelings-based) entry point, thus complementing the more conventional analytical approaches found in history or political science texts.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the heads up(s?). I&#039;ll check that out. What&#039;s your interest in Dos Passos?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the heads up(s?). I&#8217;ll check that out. What&#8217;s your interest in Dos Passos?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recommend Peter Glenn Christensen&#039;s 1982 article &quot;Dos Passos&#039; Use of Biography in USA&quot; if you don&#039;t already know it. (Rightly, in my view) it attributes far more intentionality to Dos Passos than the apparently random arrangement offers at first sight. It is available at this link http://fmls.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/XVIII/3/201 through the usual academic channels. If you do not have access, let me know and I can send you the PDF as an attachment.

It is worth recalling that Dos Passos was nearly always short of money, so to earn some extra $ he published many of these biographies separately in journals or as separate volumes, before the individual volumes of U.S.A., and perhaps in a hurry. His biography of Veblen, for example, which also appeared as a separate volume, has been criticized as being too derivative, too willing to rely uncriticaly on the &quot;official&quot; bio by Joseph Dorfman, who may well have been unsymapthetic to his subject. On this see Bartley and Bartley &quot;Stigmatizing Thorstein Veblen: A Study in the Confection of Academic Reputations&quot; in International Journal of Politics, Culture, and Society 14#2 (December 2000):363-400

best wishes
Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend Peter Glenn Christensen&#8217;s 1982 article &#8220;Dos Passos&#8217; Use of Biography in USA&#8221; if you don&#8217;t already know it. (Rightly, in my view) it attributes far more intentionality to Dos Passos than the apparently random arrangement offers at first sight. It is available at this link <a href="http://fmls.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/XVIII/3/201" rel="nofollow">http://fmls.oxfordjournals.org.....VIII/3/201</a> through the usual academic channels. If you do not have access, let me know and I can send you the PDF as an attachment.</p>
<p>It is worth recalling that Dos Passos was nearly always short of money, so to earn some extra $ he published many of these biographies separately in journals or as separate volumes, before the individual volumes of U.S.A., and perhaps in a hurry. His biography of Veblen, for example, which also appeared as a separate volume, has been criticized as being too derivative, too willing to rely uncriticaly on the &#8220;official&#8221; bio by Joseph Dorfman, who may well have been unsymapthetic to his subject. On this see Bartley and Bartley &#8220;Stigmatizing Thorstein Veblen: A Study in the Confection of Academic Reputations&#8221; in International Journal of Politics, Culture, and Society 14#2 (December 2000):363-400</p>
<p>best wishes<br />
Richard</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 13:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pizer also accounts for Hibben: he was a great friend of Dos Passos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pizer also accounts for Hibben: he was a great friend of Dos Passos.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 13:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In his critical study of the trilogy, Donald Pizer reproduced some notebooks that show that, in fact, nearly everyone you mention was at some point slated to have a &quot;portrait&quot; about him or her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his critical study of the trilogy, Donald Pizer reproduced some notebooks that show that, in fact, nearly everyone you mention was at some point slated to have a &#8220;portrait&#8221; about him or her.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I see what you meant by &quot;crowdsourcing.&quot; No, I&#039;m not looking to fill in the gaps as part of my research.

Goldman I think is covered by the Wobblies--interesting at how many wobblies dP included versus straight up commies. S&amp;V are, of course, key figures in The Big Money, so their absence makes sense. Furthermore, I think that dP chose people with long, extended careers/influence, though you could say Joe Hill (and Reed, maybe and/or Duncan) didn&#039;t have that. I like that Paxton Hibben is totally off the map--no wiki entry, no nothing, save what appears to be a vanity press bio of the man. Dude wrote some seriously important books, apparently, but now he&#039;s just the dude who wrote those books.

Wright I think counts for architect enough. As for painter, maybe dP figures US art only begins with Rothko. 

Haymarket predates the historic scope, and we&#039;ve got martyrs aplenty in Hill, Everest, Debs (for sedition), and Big Bill. It&#039;s notable that the trilogy begins with the bombing of the Maine--er, no, the charge up San Juan Hill, so Haymarket is definitely too soon.

Local politicians would also undermine the scope a bit, too. Locally important, but not nationally. Note that, I think, every politician mentioned at least ran for president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I see what you meant by &#8220;crowdsourcing.&#8221; No, I&#8217;m not looking to fill in the gaps as part of my research.</p>
<p>Goldman I think is covered by the Wobblies&#8211;interesting at how many wobblies dP included versus straight up commies. S&#038;V are, of course, key figures in The Big Money, so their absence makes sense. Furthermore, I think that dP chose people with long, extended careers/influence, though you could say Joe Hill (and Reed, maybe and/or Duncan) didn&#8217;t have that. I like that Paxton Hibben is totally off the map&#8211;no wiki entry, no nothing, save what appears to be a vanity press bio of the man. Dude wrote some seriously important books, apparently, but now he&#8217;s just the dude who wrote those books.</p>
<p>Wright I think counts for architect enough. As for painter, maybe dP figures US art only begins with Rothko. </p>
<p>Haymarket predates the historic scope, and we&#8217;ve got martyrs aplenty in Hill, Everest, Debs (for sedition), and Big Bill. It&#8217;s notable that the trilogy begins with the bombing of the Maine&#8211;er, no, the charge up San Juan Hill, so Haymarket is definitely too soon.</p>
<p>Local politicians would also undermine the scope a bit, too. Locally important, but not nationally. Note that, I think, every politician mentioned at least ran for president.</p>
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		<title>By: ptb</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarence Darrow seems like he could fit in there. Emma Goldman, other extreme left types who trafficked in violence? Not a lot of women, obviously. Samuel Morse? A painter or architect? There is also a decided lack of regional/municipal/local politicians. Maybe someone like Altgeld, or a &#039;martyr&#039; a la Sacco and Vanzetti, or those hung in retribution for the Haymarket blast. Black Jack Pershing? A criminal, besides Morgan? An investigator of the sort hired to research the 1920 Wall Street bombing?

More thoughts when I&#039;m not on deadline with a copyediting thing. This post rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarence Darrow seems like he could fit in there. Emma Goldman, other extreme left types who trafficked in violence? Not a lot of women, obviously. Samuel Morse? A painter or architect? There is also a decided lack of regional/municipal/local politicians. Maybe someone like Altgeld, or a &#8216;martyr&#8217; a la Sacco and Vanzetti, or those hung in retribution for the Haymarket blast. Black Jack Pershing? A criminal, besides Morgan? An investigator of the sort hired to research the 1920 Wall Street bombing?</p>
<p>More thoughts when I&#8217;m not on deadline with a copyediting thing. This post rules.</p>
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